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Barry Brook
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No easy substitutes for fossil fuels
« Thread Started on Aug 2, 2012, 4:39pm »

A new post has been published on BraveNewClimate. Link here: http://bravenewclimate.com/no-easy-substitutes-for-fossil-fuels

This essay by Dr Tom Biegler explains the link between abundant and cheap energy and GDP, and why it will be difficult to move away from our dependence on fossil fuels. Nuclear power is not explicitly mentioned, but it is the obvious 'elephant in the room' alternative to coal COULD provide just that required substitute. Which is why I keep hammering on about it!

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Re: No easy substitutes for fossil fuels
« Reply #1 on Aug 2, 2012, 8:16pm »

It will be interesting to track how the major move to low-cost frac NG in the US will affect its energy efficiency rating.

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« Reply #2 on Aug 2, 2012, 11:07pm »

I understand that nuclear power would currently be a distraction in that article... but hopefully that will change soon. I'm not so sure that that 'elephant' is yet visible to enough people.

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Re: No easy substitutes for fossil fuels
« Reply #3 on Aug 2, 2012, 11:15pm »

Once people realise that renewable energy can't do the job and that we can't conserve our way out of this mess that's already most of the battle (since that leaves only nuclear and fossil fuels).

Still, there is the real possibility that some anti-nuclear activists may end up global warming deniers once they realise that nuclear is required to solve global warming (or once the public realises it, they may never accept it).

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Re: No easy substitutes for fossil fuels
« Reply #4 on Aug 3, 2012, 1:18pm »

Unfortunately, in a country with a population of millions, people only come to understand the reasoning behind this article one at a time, and even then a percentage will fail to act on that understanding.

So, I thank the author for giving us this article. Let's hope that some of those millions get to read it.

For this reason, I often direct others to BNC. It seems to me that this article is an ideal entry point to this site.

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Re: No easy substitutes for fossil fuels
« Reply #5 on Aug 4, 2012, 11:54pm »

The world has become very dependent on oil especially for transport particularly the fastest of them all, the air transport. If we run short, as is quite likely in a few years, we will have to go to other fossil fuels to convert them to liquid fuels. Only 30 or so countries use nuclear energy for electricity and some of them are giving up nuclear as others join up.The trains can be converted to electricity, only 20% of which is from non-fossil sources. Electric cars are at a pioneer stage and may or may not catch up.
Wind and solar are unreliable and fitful. Hydro energy could be supplemented by tidal and ocean currents, still filling a niche.
Use of nuclear energy to convert other chemicals to fuels is also being discussed but cannot be called successful yet.

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« Reply #6 on Aug 7, 2012, 5:14am »

The primary source of GHG is fossil fuel burning electrical generating facilities. http://dingo.care2.com/pictures/causes/uploads/2012/01/GHG-emitters-2010.jpg
7 Billion humans generate vast quantities of excrement. I believe this excrement is capable of providing all human electrical demands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiolysis
Right now hydrogen is perceived as a negative by product, of Nuclear Energy, when it should be the product, as the Pentagon has considered. reference info Request for Information (RFI) on Deployable Reactor Technologies ... DARPA-SN-10-37@darpa.mil
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=d0792af88a6a4484b3aa9d0dfeaaf553&...
Large scale conversions sites are intended to replace fossil fuel powered electrical facilities the Primary Source of Carbon Emissions.
http://www.populist.com/99.12.krebs.blob.html
In what officials now say was a mistaken strategy to reduce the waste's volume, organic chemicals were added years ago which were being bombarded by radiation fields, resulting in unwanted hydrogen. The hydrogen was then emitted in huge releases that official studies call burps, causing "waste-bergs," chunks of waste floating on the surface, to roll over.

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